The Ins and Outs of Inter-racial Relationships
When I think about my group of Bangladeshi acquaintances and friends, it appears that the number of Bangladeshi men who are involved with women of other racial backgrounds is quite large. These men are not merely dating the women on a casual basis- more often than not, they are in serious long term relationships that sometimes leads to marriage. On the flip side, the number of Bangladeshi women that I know, who are dating men of other races, is very small.
I don’t know if there is any one reason behind this phenomenon. Perhaps we as Bangladeshi women are so conditioned to be the perfect daughter who follows all the set societal norms and rules that even when we are interested in dating men from other racial backgrounds, we automatically limit ourselves. Maybe we consider it a stigma, it is not something that we proudly acknowledge, fearing that we are violating the societal norms and veering away from the definition of a Bangladeshi woman that we have been inculcated with. When parents find out that their son is dating a bideshi, there is often a feeling of Ohh boys will be boys, these things are bound to happen. But if it is someone’s daughter, it is something that is often quickly hidden from friends and relatives, a point of contention between the girl and her parents, the source of angry words, heated emotions, and eventually a grudging acceptance or weakening of the relationship. Society therefore is among one of the factors that we as women rightly or wrongly consider when deciding to be an inter-racial relationship.
I had spoken to a number of my friends, both male and female to find out what they thought about this subject. One of my Bangladeshi male friends talked about the anthropology behind male female relationships. Women have always been seen as the emblem of the family, the tribe, the nation. By maintaining the purity of the women, society at large feels as if it is maintaining its own purity. That is why crimes against women, are often not just crimes against themselves, but are taken as crimes against their families. Others mentioned the religious factor. Muslim men are allowed to marry non-Muslim women as children take on the father’s religion. If a woman marries a non-Muslim man, she is lost from the tribe forever. There is often an automatic assumption that someone from another race would also be non-Muslim, a dual betrayal so to speak.
In cases where the girls leave home for overseas study, the parents might want the girl to be married off before she is allowed to leave her home and go overseas. Or the parents might want the girl to live close to a relative or a family friend which might limit the girl’s chances of being involved in an inter-racial relationship. Others mentioned security as an important factor in a relationship. If someone is looking for a long term relationship, they might be afraid that security and permanence would be missing from an inter-racial relationship.
The list of factors that I talked about is by no means exhaustive. At the end of the day, each one of us has our own unique experiences that shape our choices and decisions including the decision about being involved in inter-racial relationships.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
One cause could be girls are more serious about relationships than boys. So before even going out they do more filtering than the boys. Hence probability wise boys ending up with someone from differnt background are higher than those from girls.
One intersting observation is only recently(past 30-40 years) in Bangladesh inter-distric marriages are happening:). Wives had hard time coping up with the differnt culture of the husband’s family hailed from differnt part of Bangladesh.
When I look in the US (which is a country of diversity) I see very race cases where a Caucasian (white) person marries an African-american or Hispanic person. Alos I see more Caucasian men marrying Asian women than Asian men marriying Caucasian women. It will be intersting to find out the background for that.
-Sharmin
July 18th, 2006 at 10:22 am
I am not sure about relationships, but when I look at married couples it’s actually the other way around. Even my mom pointed this out to me. A lot of bengali guys I have met, especially those belonging to the 30-35 age group look for certain domestic qualities that we as professionals living in NYC find it difficult to cultivate. This, I attribute mainly to the lack of time we have to cook, clean and do household chores. If I lived in a city where it would take me five minutes to get to work, I would do all that, but since it takes two hours out of my day, I just don’t have time for it.
Hence, there is a huge preference for the “bring a bride from home”, and many I know have done that. Sometimes it’s worked out well, sometimes it hasn’t. On the flipside, many women my age and older have settled for foreign guys because they just can’t be bothered with the social pressures and need to limit their horizons to a certain set standard of behavior. Being with someone who doesnt ‘indirectly’ seek those qualities in a wife can give you space to breathe, and be yourself.
No matter how liberal your husband is, unless he is a truly exceptional Bangladeshi guy, brought up in different surroundings, has mostly non-desi friends, or extremely liberal parents, being married (and being thrown into that world of in-laws) can really suffocate you. You either chose to handle it and marry a desi, or not, and go the other way.
So yes, the way I see it, it’s the other way around.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:40 pm
Though it is right what Nayma says, in case someone thinks it is a trait of desi ppl only I would recommend watching the TV series (Availble in DVD), “Everybody loves Raymond”:).
My observation is desi or not, a guy who can share the household work is not very common. Just ask your friends or coworkers or read the plenty of texts available.
Other than that I think it is more of how comfortable you are with a person is important. Similarity in cultural background plays an important role here.
The book : “Why Men Never Remember and Women Never Forget” gives some really good examples of how the differnce in men and women leads to some common conflits in couples. It is based on American people but I was able to relate with us as well.
-Sharmin
July 19th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
I think another reason could be premarital sex. Bangladeshi girls are in general not in favor of having sex before marriage, because of religion and culture, while this is something normal for men in western culture. In fact, both men and women in western culture (non-muslims) usually get involved into physical relationship before they even get engaged . They think physical relationship plays very important role for marriage and they donot want any surprises. I came across with only one Catholic couple who dated for 4 years before marriage but did not engage in physical relationship until they got married. Many other co-workers had hard time believing her. I know a number of Bangladeshi (Muslim) girls who married men from Pakistan and India, but only a few who married American Christians.
On the other hand, Bangladeshi men (persuing inter-racial relationship) perhaps do not think this is a big deal and therefore, donot have any problem persuing inter-racial relationships (with western women).
These are just my observations, not based on any statiscal data or research.
- Ishret
November 11th, 2006 at 9:17 am
I think that the perceptions on here so far are just surface factors that mean very little. I am american and my husband is bengali. I went to BD for 6 months to visit with his family. One thing I notice that its quite common for Bengali’s have too many sterio=types about westerners as well as other cultures.I can only say what is displayed in media-movies-talk shows is not what the people are really like….some people cheat/have premarital sex/date/and could be christians….but in general uppercut of our society meaning those who value their bodies and have high self esteem do not practice “loose” morality. I am muslim an originally american my family is not muslim….my husband is muslim and comes from a large bengali family …the only issues we have come across in our relationship is how he wasn’t “muslim” enough for “me” but now he has changed his ways …because he is in BD alone currently due to his views and knows I will not return until he shapes up and shows the “american muslim wife” some respect. We have children and I am well educated…he knows that I don’t need him to give me anything but he does because it is my right as his wife in islam. During my stay in bangladesh he always talked bad about westerners and american women but would say “not you others” hmmp! my mother is american and so are my daughters and son. I could tell you what I found highly disturbing while in BD……the girls there don’t cover up and when they do it is improperly done..with the exception of like 1 out of 10. The majority of muslim women who dressed and behaved as such were usually very unattractive or over 30 .My husband owns new apartment buildings and we had a large apartment for ourselves and his elderly parents stayed there with us which was fine and pleasant but his brother and his sister in -law stayed there as well and this really bothered me after a short time…his sister in law would wear sari’s inside the house and not cover her head…she smiled and talked extensively with my husband with or without her husband around.She cooked all the meals which upset me very very much because that was my husbands house…she tried to act like she was lady of the house even though I was…they didnt pay anything to live there and she never cleaned anything not 1 dish.My husband knew that according to islamic law I have a right as his wife to live in a”private” house with full ownership of cleaning/cooking duties. His only excuse was that they couldnt have kids and she had nothing to do and because I have children I should just do that. Well….I said I left him and took the kids with me back home to my mom….he told his sister in law and brother to move out after I was gone (too late)and he cries and begs and yells daily on the phone for me to come back, that he is sorry and will be a good muslim and give me my rights as his wife and “respect”.I do love him and never would cheat or would ever want to but I refuse to play games and be controlled with no basis as I am an adult and educated scholastically and islamically. He used to complain and say he doesnt want a wife who is too smart because an educated woman causes problems…he complained a looong time ago he wanted a woman who would be his servant and not be smart or quuestion anything he does…….so I said ahhhhhhhh well why didnt you pick a bengali woman for a wife? Then he would shut off his argument and stop pestering me about my medical education or being an excellent parent with or without him or his meager contributions. I can do all without him and he knows it….in the end he admitted that it was attractive to have a wife who never needed him but only wanted him. So in light of these things(leaving a lot out)I think Bengali men want a woman who is controllable;financially,physically,and mentally and they also want to have her as his servant,procreating machine and caregiver for his elderly parents as well as continuously be painfully polite and unbothered by “hordes” of people visiting at all hours of the night and day…and alas he wants a woman who knows by habit how to pray 5 times a day but knows nothing about Shar’iah law Sunnah, or what the Quran says(that way he can really get away with stuff),…then there is a different type of a bengali man who finds non bengali women exotic and charmingly more desirable(purley physical i imagine)…..but there are some bengali men who want to lead western lives with western women and does so for years and then when they go on a trip to see his family his western behavior is challenged by his past neglect of “cultural norms” he becomes guilty and takes it out on his foreign wife who thinks he is nuts, I mean it is him who should be ashamed because of his desire to shut out his cultural past and cant decide who he is…however a foreign woman doesnt forget who she is and it will definately be displayed when he decides to lecture her about who she is. Thankfully women are the only genuine individuals throughout these ordeals…and it is him who sees his mistakes that are his own fault. Bengali women while I was there are extremely charming and affectionate I have stood up for a few realtives of his while there. No one ever blamed me or shamed me in anyway except my husband and his family let him know heavily that he was wrong. Soooo in the event that a western woman has a stinker for a husband she can rest assured she will be openly accepted by her mother in law and lavished with lots of attention form the female members of his family cause they can’t escape their lives and know exactly how I feel. At this point I am only considering returning to BD but I am stalling for time to see how long he can keep up his rantings and desire for me to return with all the love in the world.I am a very observant and analytical woman, I put the health,education, and overall well being of my children first, I don’t take criticism lightly from anyone because I succeed at everything I do without help….I am not a club hopping one night stander or a loose woman with poor morals and no religion..I am not drop dead beatiful,I am not rich(like most of america)and I have very strong convictions, and am an american muslim woman with an uneducated foreign muslim husband who is the youngest of 9 and rice farming (retired) parents, who grew up in a village 2 hours from khulna.We are so very different but somehow cannot leave each other alone. He has learned a lot recently by what I have known for a long time. Women who marry Bengali men but are not Bengali should receive some compassion because it will be a shocker.
January 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Wow. Between Nayma and Zahra’s comments, I don’t have much left to say! I find it difficult to date Bengali men no matter how educated or well adjusted they are to the Western society. There is always that one connection string leading back home that controls them like a puppet when you least expect it. Whether that “home” is actually in BD or somewhere here in America is insignificant.
It’s frustrating to deal with a person who looks, acts, talks like a well adjusted Bengali American, but when it comes down to issues in every day life, he holds views about women from the 18th century. This did not happen to me once, but over and over and over again. No matter how much they say they like a Westernized Bengali woman, when it really comes down to the important things in life, it’s disgusting how they deal with some of the issues.
I can’t see myself settling down with a Bengali guy. Even if the guys’ views are modern, time and again, their family’s views trumped theirs and affected me in the long run. It has become a battle that I don’t feel is worth fighting anymore.
As for Bengali sons vs. daughters going for non Bengali mates, it’s all about double standards. A family that does not follow 100% of the Islamic rules, cannot pick and choose and dictate upon their children what is convenient for them. I can’t stand it when families pat their sons on their backs for dating/marrying a non Bengali but won’t even joke about their daughters dating/marrying one.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
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January 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I am Bangladeshi; studied and settled in America and now married to an American man. I have known many Indian Subcontinental guys whose mentality I could not deal with during my college days. I don’t think that it’s only the Bangladeshi guys who are traditionally very posessive about their wives/significant others, any men from that part of the world proudly contains this quality(!) in them. In most cases, those guys are nice and understanding before marriage and turns into something different after marriage. Our society has accepted such behavior of men just because they are men. We will be very lucky to find one guy who doesn’t fall in that category. I am writing this from close observation and personal experiences.
I met my husband years ago who was my co-worker and eventually became a friend. He understood my values that I posessed as a Bengali Muslim girl and respected them wholeheartedly. After a year long study he embraced Islam and we’ve been happily married since then. I would admit that religion is something that restricts girls from being married to a non-muslim man. It’s that “bengali girl” image that we have to maintain. I wouldn’t say that I didn’t have that hesitation before started going out with him. I’m inline with Zahra that most of the muslims don’t know enough about Islam. I learned a lot through researching when my husband was going through his Islamic studies.
I live in a city where 95% Bangladeshis are highly educated professional men and women. There are families where both husband and wife work, possibly at the same place, doing similar jobs. Regardless, many husbands expect the wives to do everything single handedly. They even put a lot of restrictions on their wives. These guys have been living in US for years, got married in BD and brought wife later or who are Bangladeshis brought up in US. Such attitude is something that I’m not sure I’ll ever understand. I consider myself very lucky to have someone who is understanding and shares everything with me.
I can go on writing, but I wonder what the deshi guys have to say about these!!
Best Regards.
March 11th, 2007 at 1:18 am
Hmmm
I feel I need to correct you on one thought.
First off, I’m an American white guy, and I’m married to a Bangladeshi lady as well. We have been married since Sept 2004, and well we had an internet relationship that was going on for two years prior. Any way, one thing my wife who is a Muslim, actually found out is that Muslims and Christians are legally able to marry. Which we did, it just has been the last year that I’ve taken the study of Islam and I have found that most of my beliefs are in line with what Islam teaches, and I now consider myself a Muslim.
Now where did my wife find out this information? Well she is an educated lady and she received her Masters from Dhaka University. What she did was actually ask a local cleric if it was possible for us to marry, and the cleric said that yes it’s possible and in fact he was the one who married us. He is also waiting for us to return to Dhaka to help make my conversion complete.
So it’s still possible for a Bangladeshi Muslim girl to marry outside her religion, but what it takes and I’m sure you would agree is courage, which most Bangleshi girls unfortunately still due not have, even the ones that are already in the States, or in London. The pressure from friends and family can be over whelming.
But like my wife always says to me, and of course makes me very happy to know. She say’s “If I would of married a Bangladeshi man, I’d not be as happy as I am with you.”
So that being said, I feel I’m the luckiest man alive, because I thought outside the box, and now I have a wife, that I’m proud to have stand by me, not behind me, but next to me, on an equal platform.
I wish all the best of luck in finding there true soul mate, they are out there, and all you have to due is think outside the box. :o) and be willing to put everything on the line, to find out
March 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Can this really be true? As far as I understood it was only muslim men who could marry a non muslim because the children would be brought up in the religion and carry on the family name. I must say I do find this difficult to understand being a muslim girl. I would like to think that the same pressures that are put on a muslim girl should be equally felt by a muslim boy. Having been in a recent relationship myself with a non muslim I have found it incredibly difficult to answer challenging questions and observations about my faith. Although I was honest in the relationship about my faith and my beliefs,even though they were not as strong as some muslims, I felt that it was very hard to make someone completely understand why they would need to become a muslim in order to be with me. In the above case it appears that you both found a compromise and recognised it was a fight and you both had to put everything on the line, but for many non muslim men they do not understand why they must do this and why they must accept a religion and ultimately ‘change themselves’ in order to be accepted by their partner or partner’s family. This I have found has been a very hard thing to explain to someone. It is not a popular way to engage someone in the religion either I have found. I now wonder if you do meet someone who you have a strong compatibility with it is possible to marry them if they do not have a belief in the religion or are unlikely to ever fully comprehend their partner’s duty to their religion.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:27 pm
When religion and culture is a challenge there is always the constant struggle of trying to be more conscious about doing the right things and saying the right things. In all the correspondence I’ve noticed that the guy needs to become a muslim to marry a muslim BD. I guess that’s true for all the American women who marry BD muslim men. Its a one way traffic and definitely a recipe for disaster as you go past your middle age….I’m dating a BD muslim girl, although she doesn’t care much about religion but I don’t see any future. I don’t want her to get hurt by her own community.
August 14th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Dear All,
Its interesting to hear experinces of inter -racial relationships. I would be interested to hear how couples have comprimised and deal with difference. Im british bangladesh and my partner is british. Im going through the difficulties around bringing this relatinship into the open with my parents and extended family. However I feel the bigger challenges for me is thinking of the future with my partner and this to include children. I ask myself how best can difference in culture and faith be addressed by two people who have very strong views around these areas. Im I thinking too much?
August 15th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Hi Everyone,
As I’ve been reading the different comments, some of them really hit home in terms of my own experiences. In reference to the main article, dictating how Bangladeshi men are more often involved in interracial relationships, it seems to me that this is the general norm for a vast majority of my generation.
I was born and brought up outside of Bangladesh, and many consider my generation and South Asians like me to be ABCDs (American Born Confused Desis). I feel often times our experiences vary from Bangladeshis who have spent at least some or all of their childhood in Bangladesh.
As a Bangladeshi girl, I was never constricted in terms of education and going off to college. In fact, my father stressed education as the first priority. I am now working and living in Manhattan, without any near relatives or family, and my parents did not once have any objections.
Judging from this, I would think that I have been luckier than some. But interestingly enough, my experiences seem similar to those who have grown up in Bangladesh. Observing the Bangladeshi-American friends I have, the discrepancy between how guys and girls view relationships is immense!
Nearly all of my guy friends never even think about race or religion when it comes to dating. Whereas my girl friends are always constantly worried about finding that “right Bangladeshi guy”
From personal experience, I have found myself weeding out dating potentials in accordance to whether they were Bangladeshi or not. And the weirdest thing is that I did not even realize I was doing it! It was as if it was innate in me. I’ve met a lot of nice guys who were not Bangladeshi, but for some reason I just was not able to go through with dating them. When my desi girl friends meet a Bangladeshi guy by chance or through friends, they get very excited about the prospect. For my guy friends however, if they meet a girl and she turns out to be Bangladeshi, they can’t seem to hide their disappointment and it usually results in complete detachment from the girl.
However, there are instances where girls have married boys from other races too. So I’m not saying this is the case throughout all desis brought up here.
But I guess the most interesting question is why would girls who have been brought up their entire lives in a Western environment still feel that they have to marry Bangladeshi? For me, I don’t do it or feel it as a pressure from my parents, I just do it subconsciously, and that seems to be the case for a lot of my girl friends. And why do Bangladeshi boys in the same scenario feel the exact opposite way?
Any ideas? Because I have absolutely no answers to why it is that way!.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
well as far as i can see, the majority of people are still marrying ’suitable’ candidates full stop - people their parents would consider suitable. both men and women.. of course the ‘minority’ is growing, and given the cultural constraints, boys generally have an easier time doing what they want anyway. However, times are changing and i think there are many girls out there breaking the mould.
on a sidenote, the stats here ( UK) on “inter-marriage” are interesting,and the patterns are :
-more black men marry ‘out of race’ than black women
-more asian ( category includes indian pakistani bangladeshi chinese and ‘other asian’) women marry out of race than asian men
so interesting to compare perhaps to what’s going on in the US.
also, it all seems to depend on what ‘circles’ you mix in, in my experience, the more mixed up friends group people have, the more likely they are to date someone of a different background, whilst people who hang out in mostly desi groups, tend to marry more same-y background folks. Still - the one thing that shocked me when I had just finished university, and some of my British Asian friends found out i was seeing a ‘gora!’ as they referred to the poor man - were ‘oh no you’ve let the side down, you’re going out with a gora, why’ - and that i found, really racist, and pretty shocking. I might have expected that from some people in a village in Bangladesh, but not from people who grew up in England. Just goes to show, people are pretty tribal across the board.
The other thing I wanted to say - for women who are actually Bangladeshi citizens, and have non-Bengali husbands, citizenship/nationality of any children is likely to be an issue - please take the time to read this about how Bangladesh discriminates on a gender basis with regards to passing down nationality - it goes down the MALE line. I keep having to apply for visas for my husband, and now i find out if we have any kids, i would have to apply for them too. SHock horror, and this is supposed to be my Motherland!
October 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Sonia,
thanks for raising this issue. I don’t know about other readers, but I was pretty upset when I browsed through your link to the Bangladesh High Commission’s link and found wordings like “Mother’s Bangladesh Passport or Nationality/Citizenship Certificate will not be acceptable …”, or “Any foreign national (male) even if married to a women (Bangladeshi national) is not eligible for this status”.
Well I am not surprised about the patriachal system in BD, but I am angry. At school, we always had to write down father’s name, even now in our passports! This is something I suggest we bring attention to the appropriate policy makers and activist groups.
October 31st, 2007 at 1:50 am
Yes I was also kind of upset to see that for a child to be Bangladeshi the father has to be a bangladeshi. I wonder how is the rule for some other neighboring countries, I am sure BD is not the only country having such policy and there should be a history behind such.
While I agree that its a painful thing being a women, before suggesting to bring it for further attention I would say being a bangladeshi we should be used to the fact that we have to get visas no matter wherever I go in this world. Any progress on this issue will benefit a lot of bangladeshi ppl for sure.
On the passport issue, I heard once that during Hasina period Mother’s name was also a required field in the passport. I didn’t see that myself though. As we advance we should not require any of the parents’ name as part of the passport (or any other id card other than the birth certificate), and that is what we should spend time/energy on.
October 31st, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Hmm..we are used to getting visas to go to other parts of the world, therefore it is highly ridiculous our own country makes us get visas for our children just because the father is not bengali. In any case, this matter has already been brought forward, Bangladesh has ratified CEDAW - the convention for elimination of discrimination against women. It has been acknowledged that it would require simply a change in the wording of the Citizenship Act which we apparently retained from the East Pakistan days. clearly in the present situation, the ‘government’ isn’t going to be worrying about the wording of some piece of legislation or other.
however, one shouldn’t stand down just because of such things - voices must keep on about things, otherwise come the next govt. we will miss our chance. IN any case, I was going to say - at the end of the day, for well-off women ‘out of the country’ it is a jhamela to apply for visas etc. but really what concerns me is how this legislation affects women in bangladesh who are living in bangladesh, but their children do not have a bangladeshi father, and what the consequences are with regards the child’s rights. seeing as the mother is not able to confer her nationality.
also - yes- this is a big problem in many countries. If any of you are interested - there is a Citizenship campaign going on - to address this exact same issue faced by women from Middle Eastern countries. And as there is actually a lot of arab intermarriage, this is affecting a lot of women and their children. Please take a look at the Women’s Learning Partnership who are co-ordinating this campaign. Currently, Bangladesh is not one of the countries this campaign includes.
Frankly, right now the more publicity and awareness there is about such issues - the better. they are asking people to sign the petition on the WLP site - so any visitors will be helping a good cause!
Actually, in these kinds of situations, toning down our response - i don’t think is a good idea. It might not be the end of the world for me, but I’m pretty sure the right to equal citizenship is a fundamental one.
October 31st, 2007 at 5:25 pm
otherwise - and this is the link to this blog post I think - women will always be controlled with regards to choice of partner/husband. Traditionally, lots of countries had similar legislation - it was all about controlling the women. if you married ‘out’ - and lost your rights to nationality - that is quite a big stick to beat the donkey with.
November 21st, 2007 at 11:31 pm
why can’t a well educated girl get involved with american guys? what is so wrong about that? in life we see how our parents always doing what is best for us but never asking us for our opinion on what makes us happy? is it true in most of bengali culture? when was the last time your parents asked you for your opinion on your life happiness? i hate to say this…they may be our parents and probably have all the good intentions in their heart for us but they don’t let us make our decision. i mean it calls life. you make mistakes..you move on..learn and live with it. i’ve been in love with someone who happens to be an american white boy. he is catholic and i am muslim. i am okay with it. its been going on for 5 years. he is mentally prepared to marry me and spend rest of his life with me. i try to hint my mom. and suddely i am whore! and i will embarass them to bengali community when all it shold matter to them is my happiness!!
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