Wedding Celebrations in Bangladesh: Where to draw the line?
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The biggest, most important event of a girl’s life in Bangladesh, and anywhere in the world, is her wedding day. Earlier, the wedding was a family event in Bangladesh.
Pre-wedding celebrations such as “Paan Chini” (Engagement), “Gaye Holud”-s took place at home while the wedding would only be an outside event that also if the guest list was too long. The mother, aunts and sisters participated in cooking, flower ornaments were made by the younger cousins and sister in laws and the stage decorations and the Alponas where all done by family members and friends. Idea of fun was to work together days and nights to present the bride to be in the most attractive way the family could afford. The satisfaction of the parents came from being able to marry their daughter off, in pride, amongst colorful events arranged by themselves with merriment and gaiety around the house for an entire week.
While the wedding remains the most significant event of a girl’s life, today the celebrations have taken a very different look in the country. In today’s high priced market of Bangladesh a wedding is not just finding your daughter or son their life partner, it is also a contest where the two parties tries to spend more than the other trying to portray a wedding scene from one of the popular Hindi serials or a Bollywood movie. This new practice takes its toll over the middle class people of the country who want to provide their offspring a memorable wedding yet struggle with the expenses of it.
Some of us, the girls that is, actually look forward to the lavish events. While some others deny any interest in the gold jewelry, expensive saris and extravagant decorations yet participate in them nevertheless. How many of us today can completely reject such practices and go back to the earlier family weddings? Why do we feel the urge today to compete in jewelry or saris with everyone else around us disregarding each others social status or income sources?
The average monthly income of a middle to upper middle class family where both the husband and wife are employed at some kind of Government service or the kind would range between Tk.20,000-50,000. Increasingly Dhakaties are taking up corporate jobs with higher salaries, yet it is the new generation who is more into multinational jobs than the parents of the bride and groom. Keeping this in mind, lets look at the cost of a wedding in Dhaka for a middle to upper class family.
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Items |
Expenses in Taka |
| Gold Jewelry | 80,000-2 lakhs (Tk. 17,000 per Bhori) *may reach 5 lakh if items such as Jhapta (the one you wear in your hair on a side), Mantasha (for arms), Rotonchur (bangle with connecter ring) etc. are included. |
| Wedding Sari | 10,000-1/2 lakhs * depending on where you get it from and what kind they are. |
| Sherwani, Watch, Suits, shoes & ring for the groom | 50,000-2 lakhs |
| Community Center | 10,000-25,000 (regular) |
| 1 lakh –Shenakunja or Darbar Hall the two most distinguished ones. | |
| Catering and Food | 20,000-1 lakh *depending on the menu and guest list |
| Halud & engagement arranged outside home | 1 lakh-5 lakh |
So all in all an average wedding today will cost a family a minimum of Tk. 5 lakh-15 lakh, (around US$ 7,150- 21,430), not counting any dowry items, well they don’t call it dowry anymore but the practice of giving the groom furniture, car, apartment or something else as gifts by the brides parents still remain a common practice in Bangladesh.
The expenses are not limited to the bride and groom’s family only. I see women who have to buy new clothes, jewelry, shoes and what not for every wedding they attend. Price of saris one could wear at weddings has also increased tremendously. If you want to buy something regular from new market or hawkers, it will cost you at least Tk.3,000 to 10,000 , moreover if you want something nicer and exclusive from Shopper’s World, or Vasavi then the price will only start from Tk.10,000 and can go as high as 50,000.
While we are spending from US $ 150 to $700 behind things we are to wear at someone else’s wedding only $10 can provide one carton of high energy protein biscuits to support malnourished children for a month. $300 covers a years supply of antirectrovial drugs for one HIV positive child. $17 can immunize a child against the 6 major childhood diseases. Such statistics are immense, and if you are willing there are several organizations in Dhaka today who can advice you on contributing to the betterment of the underprivileged in and around the country with only part of the expenses of you lavish wedding.
My observation reveals that it is mostly women who are the show pieces of the extravagance at the weddings. The brides today have to have 5/6 layers on their neck, heavy earrings, their head covered in different gold items, arms full of bangles, mantashas and rotonchur’s. They are consciously or subconsciously in a contest with their friends or family in wedding expenses and the (often exaggerated) social status of their grooms.
While in some cases I also see families arranging combined Holud for both the bride and groom and joint receptions, yet this group in our society still remains diminutive. I personally do want to look exceptional at my wedding or at the weddings I attend. But is it the excessive spending which makes the day special? Why are these educated people of our society all of a sudden in a mad rush to show off their wealth to the rest? If only they would channel their resources to proper directions then we probably wouldn’t have to call the country a poor one anymore.
I would be curious to know how the women feel about this trend? Why has this trend become so widespread in the country? Are there any alternatives?
March 6th, 2007 at 10:47 am
Nazia, Great article. I heard that they spend ridiculous amount of money in Dhaka now days for weddings, but I never had the break down! It is absolutely absurd!! But it is no difference than the wedding you hear about /been to in US right? Where the bride spend thousands on a dress that they will wear only once, spending easily over 50-100K. Given this supposed to be the “most” important day of a girls life of course should be memorable but do we really need to spend all that money just to show off wealth and impress people you seen once in every 5 years? Especially in a country where there is so much poverty! But I guess it is easy for me to frown upon this un necessary lavish spending given I don’t have that kind of money nor want a big wedding
March 6th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Great article! the amount of money being spent at dhaka weddings is unrealistically disgusting. its really a means for these corrupt bangladeshi officials to make their black money into white. i went to a wedding where the entire gulshan was baricaded and lighted guestlist was over 20k ppl. i mean hello!?! 20000 ppl! im happy to announce to my father that i want a small wedding. none of this huge-*** shindings! and yes its going to be a joint holud too! what better chance to make it more hindi filmy where i can dance with my future hubby!tao abar dhong dhung korey! heehee but nonetheless great article!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
Looking back to my wedding, I feel bad about how I have ripped off my dad. I didn’t think twice before I demanded for things to be done. If only I had to pay for my own wedding, I would have realized how absurdly expensive it was.
I think the reason we all want to do all those nice things at our weddings is because we think that it’s the one and only day of our lives when we get to be the center of attraction. And we do dream about it all our lives! (At least I did!!!)
I am not trying to make it look right but from my point of view I have learned the value of money only after I have started to earn it. I sure would have done it differently if I had to pay it on my own.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I completely agree with Arin. This is the day when we get to be the princess we have always wanted to be. This day only come once in our life. American’s spend a lot more then we do. I don’t think it’s a waste of money if I am paying for it. Then again, it’s my personal opinion, don’t hate me for that. Obviously I strongly believe that it doesn’t give us the right to reap our parents off. InshAllah, I will be getting married this year and trying to save as much money as I can. I told my parents they can buy us wedding gifts but I am not taking any money from them. They should save it for their retirement vacation plan. However, this is an informative article. I would love to read some thing on the weddings in the US. Some information will definitely be helpful.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Great info ladies, esp for us ABCDs (some who haven’t been to old desh in LONG time). The avg wedding in US costs $19,000 BTW, but I know several people who have gone WAY over that!
March 6th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Great Article - and great comments from everyone. My only comment is that if you do have that kind of money, why not put down on a down payment for a house or something ? But I guess I am always the practical one and never could understand that whole concept “shomaz ache”
March 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Hi Nazia Apu…well actually i don’t agree with you fully…those who able to spend money for their wedding ceremony why should they stop celebrating such an excellent day of their life with grand parties…its not only party but also big gathering of both of bride and groom families…its not only that The Girl and the boy celebrate with heavy ornaments or heavy arrangments…its because they want to have grand ceremony for their relatives so that they can come and enjoy the blessful ceremony together with grand arrangements..:)
And Wedding comes once in a life isn’t it…If you want to donate money for HIV people or anyone..you can keep doing this forever…
If you talking about helping people…what about those people who earn more than $5000 but contribute nothing for their own country…
I guess…that is better if we spend money for celebrating wedding parties with families than to spend money with extra lavish life of USA…
How many people in USA send $10 from their Job money…I guess none…:(
Well If you are not capable of spending money for wedding then its different issue…whole world people celebrate their money with grand celebrations…
Its not only gold jwellaries..people nowadays wearing Diamonds..which cost more…
So why only blaming People of Bangladeshi..??
We are living in a developing country…but can’t we have the right to celebrate our wedding parties with great fun adn grand celebrations
( again I mentioned If I able to do so )
anyways hope you take my things in a positive way…:)
wishes,
Samiha Esha
March 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Samiha,
Thanks for the comments.
I am wondering did you really mean, “How many people in USA send $10 from their Job money…I guess none…:(”? If so let me know so I can send you some fact around that.
Other than that please try to stay on the point of current discussion. We may not agree to everyone but we need to learn how to disagree as well:).Â
-Sharmin
March 7th, 2007 at 12:04 am
I couldn’t resist sending a comment about this touchy issue. I got married seven years ago and I was working in the US at the time. I wanted a small wedding but the groom’s family wanted a big one; reason being they were having a wedding celebration after twenty five years. My husband is at least ten years older than the rest of his cousins. So I was cornered and had no small wedding. We boarded the plane and had a big wedding (not lavish by today’s standard, only 500 guests!!!!)in Dhaka. I felt so guilty about it that I insisted on paying for my wedding and I did but lost all my savings I had that time.
Recently a cousin of mine got married to a very rich father’s daughter. My aunt couldn’t keep up with the expenses and got a earful from my cousin. the bride didn’t even wear the jewelery given to her by her mother-in-law. It was a picture perfect wedding (Hindi soap type) with a lot of hurt feelings. The bride and groom seemed ecstatic but I am not sure how they are going to feel after ten years when they are little more mature. Also, I hope the wedding lasts that long (one never knows what will happen in the future).
And Samiha, I don’t believe that Bangladeshis in the USA do not contribute to anything. If you look at the real picture a lot of the deshis are struggling to save money so that they can support their extended family at home. Also, there are so many who contribute to the poor or to a good cause.
I can understand if both parties are filthy rich but there is a trend going on now that everything has to be the best. I have had the chance to attend some weddings in Bangladesh recently and it amazes me that how the majority of the girls demand extremely extravagant things. Even if parents are willing to spend that much I think the money they would have spent should be a gift to the new couple for their new future. It’s a big waste of not only money but also energy.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:09 am
I must say I was very happy this morning to see so many comments on my article:) Thank you all for taking the time to read it and sharing your opinions with us.
Trust me Esha & Fathema I realize how one’s wedding day is expected to be once in a life time experience, in fact I keep telling my friends and cousins that its the only occasion on which a whole length feature film will be shot on me & my husband, and thus I must find the right make up artist to look my best
That’s why I mentioned in my article that like every other girl around the world it is natural to want this celebration to be special, and the bride to look her best.
What I am concerned about is where this supply of expenses is coming from? And is it only the lavishness of the functions which make the day special? Do you exactly know the 500 people (lets not even think of the wedding with 20,000 people) who attend your wedding? Will you ever be wearing the sari or the jewelries like the crown, Jhapta and nose rings at other parties? Even if you do how often?
Moreover, we are at a country where people still die of cold in winter. Where girls are denied of not only education, property rights or decision making rights, they are also the victims of many other kinds of physical and emotional abuse without having done anything wrong.
I understand the argument that if one can afford it (not taking her parents money) then one should spend whatever she can to remember the day for the rest of her life. That’s why I wonder have we become that materialistic that we think only the extravagance can make my wedding memorable? Being from the same country as the girls I mentioned in the previous paragraph, SHOULD WE BE THAT MATERIALISTIC?
March 7th, 2007 at 5:02 am
Nazia Said :
I understand the argument that if one can afford it (not taking her parents money) then one should spend whatever she can to remember the day for the rest of her life.
Samiha Said :
Well How can a 24/25 years boy and girl can established like their parents who are 40++….And if parents love to contribute for their children’s wedding ceremonies, then what’s the problem with it.
One point should be noted…You are talking about in Bangladesh there’s many people can’t live a good healthy life. So, Why you thinking only saving from your wedding money you should contribute for them. Those who are able to spend more than $15000 for their children’s wedding do you think they don’t contribute for the society…
And One question roaming in my mind, While we do work or job for whom I am working ? Isn’t it for the people of my country ?
Well, My point is that living outside of Bangladesh and talking about our country is really not that good. Bangladesh now quite fascinating country for living a lavish life with your fantastic job and career. And Those who are successful in Bangladesh can spend huge money for their wedding. Because they spend like this every day of their life.
I know many people in my surrounding those who spend lots money in their wedding but they also spend more money for helping others for education, treatment and many other purposes.
So those who helping people of our country and spending money on their wedding what is problem with that.
And Its basically depend on your choice, If you don’t want to spend money on your wedding its your choice. None one will stop you. You can go to mosque and get married. There will be no problem with your friends or relatives. But will you go to mosque and get married ??
You can if you wish to do that…But those from childhood dream about their wedding they shouldn’t…Wedding is not like any other occasion of people’s life…its really grand day to be together with your special better half. So the day to me should be celebrate in a grand way, if you are able to do so.:)
and if you are talking about marriage with own money, nowadays many boys of dhaka doing quite fantastic business. and they earning quite large amount of money…And we paying government for TAX…that also counts for helping our people…:)
Anyways, Those who live in USA they think Bangladeshi people always spend money lavish way. but that’s not actually right…because we here living with our family, friends and relatives. And we love to spend money for all of them.
Okay…that’s lot for today…I hope Nazia Apu you will undersstand my point. I just talking that…those who are able to spend money for their wedding you shouldn’t criticise them…its not good to point out people if you already did it in your life…:)
Just Think about your children or your relatives or your sister’s wedding….what will be your planning for them…??
anyways its just my thought so I share..hope it will be fine with you…
have a nice day…keep smile…indeed its a good piece of article..:) Congrats..:)
take care…byez…:)
wishes,
samiha esha.
March 7th, 2007 at 5:14 am
First of all I would like to give thanks to Adhunika to raise such a nice and realistic topics.
I absolutely disagree with Samiha, I felt she could n’t understand the motive of the disscussion. It’s not like that somebody can’t spend money to celebrate their wedding rather it’s the question of human basic nature(specially third world countries’s people). We(Bangladeshi) have a very common feeling that is comparing with others, we do n’t even sometime care about our ability we always try to show off with families, houses, cars, clothes, jewellaries which are really bad for the society.
Right now, we are noticing this invisible competion in our socity creating lots of crime also, for an example a boy(around 28 years old) who has finished his Masters and has joined in a moderate Private company and his salary is around 20,000 taka. And his family does n’t possess enough money to arrange a luxary wedding party. So most of the middle class girls parents won’t be happy to arrange marriage with such kinds of boys’ because they want somebody who is possessing lots money does n’t matter the age differences(between the bride and bridegroom it could be 10years to 20years), coultural diffrences, mental adjustment. Their only concern is the prestige issue.
I have seen some people who have borrowed huge amount of money to arrange a luxary wedding party and later they fall in miserable condition.
So personally I really hate this sort of competition.
Last week, I went to a wedding party and they had arranged six parties for one wedding ceremony( Engagement party, Bride’s Gaye Halud, Bridegroom’s Gaye Halud, Sangeet Sandha, Wedding party, Reception) and all parties were finished within one week. I did n’t attend all of those parties but I felt these are simply wastage of money and time nothingelse. But this situations are increasing day by day in Bangladesh and I feel society should get rid of these sickening competions.
March 7th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Hello everybody sorry I am writing again because I missed one point. People can spend money on their wedding celebration but there sould be some limit that I believe, being a Bangladeshi citizen where most of the people have to fight for their whole life to arrange food and clothes for them.
March 7th, 2007 at 7:45 am
Hello Udita Bhaia…point should be noted that those who are not able to spend money for their wedding they are also arranging their wedding with their family and friends with less prepaparations.
And the Party you attend and thinking that they waste their money…may be you don’t know about their monthly income…People those who are able to spend money on their weddings why should they stop…??
Even You Know…Nowadays People Enjoying their birthday parties like wedding ceremonies in Dhaka…So As they have huge money they celebrate in a grand way…
think about Aishwariya and Abhishkek Bachan…will they stop without celebrating their wedding ceremonies..??
they won’t just because they are celebrity…so If I am able to give a grand party then why shouldn’t I will celebrate…???
check out many grand wedding pictures here..
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/amazon707
I don’t think they doing any wrong and neither they wasting their money…because they are capable of spending money for their wedding also able to contribute for their country…
So…bhaia you are mistaken….Those who have money they only throwing parties in a grand way…
A middle class family can’t effort to throw parties over Bangladesh China Friendship Center…you have to have the money to spend for your wedding…
So Am totally disagree that people waste money on their wedding…
Wedding is the starting of a new life…and it should be always grand and memorable if I able to do so…
And am also not saying those who are throwing party in a simple way for their wedding can’t enjoy…They are also enjoying their way…
So People should always go for their choice…
And I also not agree that…after your wedding ceremony you become street begger…because people usually don’t arrange wedding parties for becoming street begger…they know how to be happy for the rest of their life…:)
anyways, I am sharing my views because I attend many many many grand wedding parties in my family and friends….and all are very good in social activities too…so we should always welcome grand wedding parties…:)
Again noted…:: only if you are able to do so…spending money for wedding can’t be waste of money…its sound totally bogus to me..:(
take care…have fun and smile…bye bye..:)
wishes,
samiha esha
March 7th, 2007 at 8:28 am
This conversation here is getting more & more interesting I see
1rst, let me tell Esha a little more about me as I see she is making quite a few assumptions by herselfïŠ. I live in Dhaka, not abroad. I m 23 and m not married yet. Being a graduate of development studies and having worked in the same area in Bangladesh, I guess sometimes I take it for granted that everyone around me will come to think in more of a humanitarian way if they are encouraged to :).
In case u didn’t notice I mentioned in my article & in my comment that it is natural for every girl to plan for their wedding day and expect the day to be special. I m no different, I do too. There is nothing wrong in that, whether its you or your parents who ever decide to pay for the celebrations.
I guess the underlined point of my article was to show the unequal distribution of wealth in Bangladesh. Where like India the resources are accumulating among one group of society, leaving the other completely deprived. Those who are spending in the amount they are, naturally can afford to & that’s why they are. But what happens to those who can’t (the middle class), yet feels the pressure on them to compete with the earlier? If my wedding turns out to the biggest social event of the year, won’t my cousin want the same for her? While my father’s and my own uncle’s income can be quite different.
Again I fail to understand how ONLY spending so much is giving Esha happiness? Is it the spending, or is it the showing off factor, that my wedding was better than yours, which gives more satisfaction? Which ever it is, is it a healthy practice? Shouldn’t wedding be a celebration of togetherness? I think the lime light is shifting to the arrangements from the celebration of a new relationship.
I’m sure, the lavish wedding spenders are also contributing to the society in their own ways. And trust me in the last few months I have met so many people who have found a way to contribute to the society. Here I would like to mention the example one of my Adhunika group members gave earlier about a couple who asked their wedding guests to make donations to Cancer Hospital in Dhaka instead of bringing gifts for the couple. A praiseworthy gesture. Oneza apa hopefully you will elaborate on the topic later with links. But paying TAXES in Bangladesh cannot really be called a social contribution as the one’s who are spending so much mostly aren’t paying their TAXES in actual amounts.
I hope I didn’t sound like I was criticizing earlier, as that was not my purpose. As Esha said, it is all about our own wishes and desires. That is why I opened this platform for women to express their opinion on the expenses once they got a better picture from the article and also found out about some alternatives.
Esha, I would suggest you avoid exaggerations, no one mentioned anything about parents becoming beggars. I think you are reading too much into certain comments.
Udita, thank you for your inputs, the trend of having more than 4 functions was another good point you brought in.
Nazia
March 7th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Thanks Nazia For replying me…
anyways here’s your reply For this ” I fail to understand how ONLY spending so much is giving Esha happiness? ”
Reply :
It makes me happy because am from a join family…we have more than hundred of members in my own family. we love to celebrate our weddings quite grand way because we love to share the blessful moments with each and every member of our family…
usually its not only decoration…we love to present each and every member of our family gifts for the wedding parties…they also love to be part of the grand ceremonies…and most importantly we never feel mean if our any relatives celebrate their wedding in a grand way and the others through a normal party…
we love to enjoy both way….:)
You are right wedding is matter of togetherness…this togetherness not only with two person…its with two families…with their relatives and everyone…:)And its really makes us double happy when we celebrate with all of them..so much happiness….its also gives us great pleasure…:)
we usually celebrate more than eleven programs on wedding parties…like….
BrideGroom First meet, Bride’s engagement, Groom’s engagment, pre engagement parties, Brode-grooms engagement, girl’s holud, guy’s holud, sangeet funtion, mehendi function, bachelor’s party, girl and boys friend’s party, grand gala wedding, wedding reception party, groom’s first bazar party at girls home, first date party after walima and firani…etc etc etc..many more event pack up with the whole month before marriage…
I don’t understand Nazia why u feel bad and feel complexity when other’s enjoy their wedding in a grand way…why u thinking people celebrate this wedding only for show off…the people who attend in the wedding all comes in a wedding to be part of a special new relationship…and if we present them a grand party where’s the problem…
Well I don’t understand why u people underestimate Bangladeshi people’s those who spending money in their weddings…where’s the problem if we spend the money for our family and for our friends and relatives…i really don’t understand that…
and why should I feel nice when my family members present grand wedding parties….why should I feel bad if my cousin throw great parties on their wedding..it always makes me and my family happy…its actually about family understanding…we brought up in a very touchy join family where we learn all this things…and wedding of anyone in my family and friends big festivals for us…:)
Another thing I want to mention here Bangladeshi people not crying to arrange their weddings like hollywood stars…those who arranged their weddings in palace….
I don’t understand why people will feel bad and why people will do competition if other’s arrange grand parties…I never find any of my family and friends feeling like this…
Its not important u give your wedding party over BCFC, Radisson, Sheraton, Shenakunjo, Darbar Hall…whatever…its important the guest came and attend your wedding they should bless you from the bottom of their heart…
And Those who feel jealous or complexity attending other’s grand wedding they shouldn’t be part of such blessing ceremonies…:)
I never feel such mean about anyone…even my friends and family also never feel like you…:(
Anyways Its all my views that I share about your article….Indeed you pick up a nice topic so that I can’t stop myself without comment about my feelings…
I m not telling those who are not able should arrange grand gala wedding…I am talking about those people those who are able to give grand wedding parties…
So don’t combine two things together…
If you want to give a small party ..you should go for it…but to me Wedding is only one ceremony that happens once in a life…and it should be celebrated in a grand way…and always it has to be the so goargeous and so colorful so that people can enjoy and bless the bridegroom from the bottom of their heart…
And I think only those people are able to throw such grand parties for their family and friends those who doesn’t only think about their own money investment…because not all people have the heart to invite others and present others a grand party using their own pocket money…
Wedding parties doesn’t only cost bridegroom’s dress and party hall decorations…the arrangement people usually do for other people so that they enjoy…not because of Show of…
If We want to do show off in our wedding then we should invite strangers on our wedding…but i Guess we never invite any strangers on our wedding…isn’t it…
So think deep about it…You live in Bangladesh…You can have the better idea about present Bangladeshi people’s life style..I guess they are now enjoying far better life standard in their own country than to do job over USA or other countries of the world…
People Should start realizing that Bangladeshi peoples are no less than other people of the world….
And One think I guess you all mistaken..Not ordinary people can give grand parties…Only those who are able they do it…
So Why should we talk about those people who are living fantastic with fantastic family and job and also contributing in the society…
In my Family I know many many many many Bangladeshi people those who are immigrant of USA but staying in Bangladesh for better life…They enjoying a lot with their social contribution and their own family fun and parties…
And We shouldn’t talk about corrupted people…because corruption is other issue…right…:)
Anyways…Nazia Congrats for a nice topic so that I can’t keep myself without comment here…As you living in Dhaka I guess you also know about every general family…So I don’t uderstand why you think like opposite way ..and Why u call the wedding celebration money as waste product…its really very sad
anyways choice is your…You can contribute your wedding money for others…you can go to mosque and do your wedding……:)
Because In my family each and every member of us…celebrating grand wedding parties and also we are contributing for society…not only with paying tax money but also with making IT firms for them free of cost, investing our money for street boys education and also for many NGO those who need donations…
So to me…those who are doing both they shouldn’t feel like you…that using money in wedding functions is waste of money….:)
its easy to say but hard to do…So we should better implement what we say in our life then the society will be more better…:)
Take care……and chill with my comments…:) Keep up your good blogging…take care…bey bye…:)
wishes,
samiha esha.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Esha,
Until now I didn’t realize that you probably never understood what I meant my lavish weddings. From your comment it is clear that apart from being repetitive the only argument you have is that you don’t see anything wrong if someone wants to invite their close relatives and friends to their wedding and enjoy the functions with them. I never disagreed.
If you scroll up & see some of the comments, where weddings had 20,000 guests and such I call those unnecessary. Because you can’t know this 20,000 people yourself. Anyway celebrating your wedding with your close ones is not only expected it’s the natural thing to do.
I don’t know why u keep mentioning a mosque wedding, I don’t remember anyone saying that anywhere here. Also never have I mentioned the celebrations with family and friends to be a waste. But yes, having 11 functions does seem tiresome.
Feeling bad about someone else’s lavish wedding was not my point. The point was to find a reason for the competition we see in wedding expenses.
Anyways, I think you are failing to understand the topic under discussion entirely. Every one else is discussing at a certain level and you are at another.
Lets try to find out how and when this trend of lavish weddings started? What can be some of the alternatives?
March 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
hey,
sorry..i this isnt something i normally do, but since i know samiha and i know flawed logic when i see it, i would like to help samiha make a few points clear, so that everyone here really understands what this article is focusing on. so here are some open questions for samiha first.
1) of the let’s just say 800 people (i’m sure there could be more if the event is at BCFC) invited to your family functions do you actually know on a first name basis? and when do you think you’ll see them next after the wedding?
2)how many of these people do you actually see outside of weddings and parties? and how often?
3)if you’re basic argument is that spending (i wont say wasting because in their purview that may not be the case) so much money makes them happy, and helps them enjoy the ceremonies better, why not spend it on something that has long term benefits?
4)since we’re discussing ethics here, i leave you with one last question. if the same or even half the amount of money could be spent on feeding or helping the destitutes whose blessings would not only come from the heart, but also leave you with an easier conscience, what would you chose? spending money on a one-night or even eleven-night extravaganza or saving lives?
and now my sermon and some rebuttals.
well let’s see..it was written that..
†I fail to understand how ONLY spending so much is giving Esha happiness? â€
Reply :
It makes me happy because am from a join family…we have more than hundred of members in my own family. we love to celebrate our weddings quite grand way because we love to share the blessful moments with each and every member of our family…”"
could this sharing and caring be enjoyed without spending lakhs and lakhs of taka? how many of the eleven night programs will actually include feeding the poor? how many of the gifts received by the bride and the groom were actually needed by them??how many will they actually use?
before i’m misread, let me explain my interest in this issue. i’m 23, i live in dhaka. i have a huge family. we’re sylheti, so you can imagine how large and tangled the family tree is. weddings are always grand. i totally understand the need to celebrate with family and friends. my mother has had my wedding planned since i was sixteen.so completely understand the importance of the festivity. but i could not sleeep at night with the knowledge that i spent 5 lakhs on a one night feast, feeding ppl who i hardly know, getting gifts i don’t need and then setting standards for my less well off relatives that may not be met.
as far the elitist issue of ‘ppl who can afford should do it, ppl who can’t shouldn’t'…at the risk of sounding socialist i have to say, this is like saying, ‘if i can afford to give bribe and get off the easy way then i should. those who can’t afford it shouldn’t’.
anyway, i think we all agree with samiha and all the others who have mentioned it earlier, weddings are about family, they are about togetherness, harmony and love. these are hardly factors that are directly proportional to the amount spent on the wedding. so, if it’s all about the family and the fun, why should you be against a modest wedding, even for people who are very well able to pay for a more lavish one?
again, these are my views and i am a humanist
March 7th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Hi Nazia…I understand your point…don’t misunderstand me…actually am trying to explain you this…why now adays people celebrating in such a grand way….:)
What I see from my family and friends i can tell you that, every month from my family we donate for our village, my cousins also bear many people’s educational expenses, and we also do social works.
So, I think we can celebrate our wedding in a grand way as we doing both.. we needn’t to save our wedding money for contributing others. Infact We spending more money yearly for the people of country. To me I think we should go for it
My question is that, if you are talking about saving money from wedding and contributing for people of Bangladesh for long term blessing then we should stop treating our friends and we should first start giving treat for the people who never even can’t able to visit five star hotels…
We should start quiting buying expensive eid dresses and every year we should work for them…
also if you are talking about only night function…why don’t you write a article about saving money from treating your friends over Pizza hut…because your friends don’t need that…despite you treat them….why not u start treating roadside boys and girls who never can visit to Pizza hut…
So Nazia…if you are talking about lavish expenditure…those are lavish expenditure to me….Wedding can’t be lavish expenditure because it happens only once in people’s life. ANd We should always celebrate it in a grand way…if we able to do so…:)
otherwise people can go for coart marriages too…isn’t it..:)
take care…good night…:) Adios..:)
wishes,
Samiha Esha
March 7th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
I should have thought twice to start another argument here. Already there are many. lol
Hello Nazia, you wonderfully addressed the recent marriage trend in Bangladesh. The expense seems to be going higher over time. You have clearly identified one reason for this trend. It is the hindi serials
. But then again, I remember the time, when only rich and affluent people used to throw lavish extravagant marriage ceremonies. Just 10 or 12 years ago, in few marriage ceremonies more than a thousand people would be invited. And now, most of the marriage ceremonies are like that, because Bangladeshis like to follow. We simply do not want to think logically. A type of rivalry always works when it comes to showing off. If Mr. A can spend 5 million for his daughter’s wedding, his neighbour or relative Mr. B will also be desperate to spend at least 5 million for her daughter’s wedding. And this is how our tradition goes.
Now if we want to stop this unnecessary wastage of money for a simple matter - like wedding*, then the change should be initiated from the top. When the affluent class will stop spending money for wedding and start donating money for charity, then it will become a new craze. And the ever-following middle class will change accordingly. currently this is the only way to stop this tradition.
*ahem marriage is not actually a simple matter, but it is like birth and death, everybody has to marry
March 7th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Hi Fariha : Here’s your reply ::
1) of the let’s just say 800 people (i’m sure there could be more if the event is at BCFC) invited to your family functions do you actually know on a first name basis? and when do you think you’ll see them next after the wedding?
—- Hey surely we does….Okay I have 11 khala mama from my mom’s side and 10 chacha fupee from my dad’s side…we are more than 40 cousin…and all in all i have more than hundred family members in my family. So if You double the number because we know all of their in law’s family they are also very close to me…and we can’t avoid our marriage parties without inviting them…we are very close with each other….and what will be about my friend whom I know ?? nearly more than fifty friend I know from Viqarunnisa…I have to invite them with their full family….And the rest will be guest of our parents office colleagues and their friends…so I guess guest list can’t be less than thousand people….And you please keep your good wishes for our family so that we can be unitied with each other like in this way forever…Though its true I don’t knwo their first name..but the guest who invited in our wedding parties know us very well….So our guest is our honorable members…and we count their presence in our wedding functions a lot…its not only that I stay with my parents and don’t relate with any other relatives…I told you many families are like us here in Dhaka..so they also do the same like us….
And u guess what…normal Birthday parties in my family sounds like wedding hangama…so I guess you can assume how much we have to spend for the wedding parties…:)
2)how many of these people do you actually see outside of weddings and parties? and how often?
— reply include with number one…I hope now things clear to you…why I value them a lot…:) and another thing…in our wedding parties people never only come, eat and go…they stay and share the fun together with us….:)
3)if you’re basic argument is that spending (i wont say wasting because in their purview that may not be the case) so much money makes them happy, and helps them enjoy the ceremonies better, why not spend it on something that has long term benefits?
— As I said, we contribute many more long time contribution in our family, So I guess if you count that then its more than our wedding expanses. So, To Me people usually don’t celebrate their wedding just only for getting gifts and start their new family life with the gifts they got in their wedding….:) The party is really once in life time so they spend money on that…:)
4)since we’re discussing ethics here, i leave you with one last question. if the same or even half the amount of money could be spent on feeding or helping the destitutes whose blessings would not only come from the heart, but also leave you with an easier conscience, what would you chose? spending money on a one-night or even eleven-night extravaganza or saving lives?
—- Hey Why don’t you start this trend…Don’t celebrate your wedding function…Just go and have buffet with your better half and their family and contribute your wedding money to the poeple who need to live money for their living…it will be highly praised by everyone.
But in our family we love to spend money for our wedding parties because we want to start a new life with all of our relatives and friends participation.
I think If you are talking about donating people then why wedding money, Why not other expanses of life.
We can easily save millions of money from our daily life and can contribute those money for poor people of Bangladesh…:)
Every Day the money people spend for fastfoods and food shops i guess that is more than 10 people spending for their wedding….:)
So We should first save money from daily Food Shops…and then we can talk about saving money from wedding ceremonies…:)
I guess that will sound better…:)
anyways, It my view…I think I have the full right to share my way of living because the article indicating society people like us…:)
So I hope Fariha you take it easy…I wish to attend grand wedding of yours because we all are waiting for that…:) No Saving Money from your wedding party…Save from Your Work…he he..anyways kidding…never mind…:)
I do really enjoy participating in such interetsing blog for the first time….thanks Nazia For write this article.
Thanks again…:)
Next topic should be…Save Money From fast Food Shops
March 7th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Complete outsider here, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents’ worth. The issue of lavish spending while there are so many desperate uses for the money doesn’t just apply to Bangladeshis spending or not spending money on Bangladesh. We’re all on the same planet.
But, no, I don’t know what exactly the right thing to do is. You have to have fun, or this one planet will become a grey place. On the other hand, feeding dogs steak while other people slowly die on 600 calories a day is also not on.
I think Nazia made the main point: the idea behind the celebrations is to enjoy each others’ company. Spend as much as needed to do that. What’s the point of wasting a down payment on a house, food for hungry children, or any other good cause? It’s a waste not because it’s spent, but because it doesn’t buy anything that’ll bring anyone joy.
March 7th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Modesty is the best policy.
A degraded Shayeri.
“Kaya Gali di hai Shajahan neh hum Gariboh ko
Kodh toh banagaheh TazMahal apneh Mumtaz keliyeh
Hum Garibna bana nasakeh ek mahal apneh Sirin keliey”
Loosely translated in English.
What a name calling has been done by Somrat Shajahan,
He made fun of the poor people by making Tajmahal for his wife,
Here me the poor one couldn’t make a single house for my Sirin (my lover or my wife or my Priyotoma)
I know the poem sucks but make sense.
I belief if the bride and groom has the ability and the money of their own they can even get married in any extravaganza ways they like. But showing their Dad’s and inherited money to put down and looks down on other middle income people,by saying his or her wedding was small or boring due to lack of money I apposed that.
In Bangladesh very few of the peole have the guts to do that. It’s all about showing off and showing the society how rich they are. I feel pity on that, not that I didn’t enjoy or eat at this big weddings but the concept was not healthy.I am not going to name the family but few years ago, one of our school mate got married and the designer for bride and groom and interior designers came from France to do thejob. What would you call that?
Show off? or Family showdown? or Political Show up?
I know not all of them are like that but those few does make the difference in the societal imbalance and injustice and on the creation of rift and inequility among others by looking and showing down on others.
Thanks
KJ
March 7th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Its really good to see the thoughts generated from this topic. That is the idea:).
When we do things in the name of “Society”, “tradition” and not really getting it from heart we should be able to ask why we do this? For example in old days, they used to put the bride on one side of a balance and same amount of gold on the other side, that amount of gold was to give the girl for the wedding. That is sure a “tradition” but does this make you feel good about yourself?
On the otherhand having all my near and dear ones be present for my wedding is sure something makes me happy. Even if they can’t afford to buy expensive gifts I would be happy just because they came to wish me, isn’t that simple?
It is perfectly ok that people don’t want to miss this (free) opportunity to become the center of attraction. But the question arises when the parents are really having hard time to arrange this, as grown-up educated people I think we can do some serious thinking around that.
For those who can afford to spend too much and are happily doing that, I don’t have any say.
As Nazia suggested, doing some good deed on the occaision of one’s wedding could be one alternative to have a extravagant party. When role models do that that becomes a style.
We need to remember the ordinary people never questions, they just follow what is in practice, only those who are above ordinary can raise question and initiate a positive change. And hopefully we are seeing a beginning here:).
-Sharmin
March 7th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Nazia, thank you for your compliment.
Dear, Samiha could you please go through my writing again. I think you misunderstood me. I never told people can’t through a grand party for their wedding. I just told regarding these matters we are comepetitive that should be erased. If people can afford they can spend as much as they want but the problem is people who can’t afford they also want to spend more and than they try to collect those money not in a fair way. For an example, in bangladesh a Govt Officer’s salary range is between 10,000-35,000 so far I know, now you tell me if that officer has even two daughters, how can he spend 5 to 6 lacks taka for his daughter’s wedding?
I wrote earlier in my writing we should stop comparing with others. Same thing you are doing dear, I am not Aishwariya so why I will compare my self with their situation.(Hollywood celebraties are also spending millions of dollars for their wedding party and later that wedding sometimes exists only for few months). Actually this is the real problem, we(bangladeshi) are so emotional that we do n’t try to accept the reality, I am saying people are in competition to make their parties more gorgeous than others that should be stopped.
Democracy consists of very good laws that we know very well but the implementation of democracy is a very tough thing for our country because here most of the people do n’t know about their right and capability so how can you expect that here people will be that rational to accept the reality that ” Being a Govt Officer(it could be different office also with moderate income) I do n’t have huge money to spend in my daughter’s wedding.”
Dear, Samiha I also know some people are celebrating their kids’ birthday in Sonargaon Hotel and Sheraton Hotel. My point of view is this should not be encouraged by anybody. I do understand it’s their money they can do whatever they like.I am residing in Bangladesh I do n’t know everything of Bangladesh but I belive I have some knowledge regarding the contemporary society, here people(definitely not all) are involved with so many visible and invisible crimes and I feel the people(not all) who are arranging those grand parties, are spending their illigel money.
I went to a minister’s daughter’s wedding party which held in Jatio Sangshad Bhaban and they had invited 15 thousand people. Later I have heard his political people(mastan) collected money from lots business institutions for this purpose. If this is the picture how can you encourage spending huge amount of money just to show off others.
To me wedding is the most beatiful event of my life(anyone’s life). A luxarious wedding party is not mandatory for my happiness that’s my opinion. It’s not other people have to follow my opinion, “but people should n’t bear the mentality that other people did this so we have to also arrange like this otherwise we will be socially humiliated by others.” that is my concern.
Dear, Samiha I hope you have understood my silly thoughts to change my loving country.If you are not married yet I would like to attend in your wedding party. Have a nice day all.
March 8th, 2007 at 1:32 am
Dear Samiha,
What happens when one of those 11+ ceremony weddings do not work out for some reason and one of your – say cousins has to go for a divorce? Would there be a similar grand celebration for that divorce as well? After all, that divorce will let your cousin start a better life, she will be happy again and what better way to celebrate that happiness? That will also build the bridge to arrange, in near future, another one of those grand celebrations for her wedding again (for the second marriage)!!
The more you keep saying you are not comparing with others, you are really comparing yourself with Bombay stars, comparing your country with other countries, comparing your family with other families. Please stop bragging on and on. Oh, I forgot, you sure can brag because you are able to do so!!
Great job Nazia, excellent article and great comments from many!
- Maple
March 8th, 2007 at 3:56 am
Sure Udita Bhaia, you are most welcome to attend my wedding ceremony :)drop an email to me my wedding invitation will be there for you
Last thing…I never compare with anyone…I hate comparision…and my family never do comparision.That is what i told you here Bangladeshi people not doing marriages like hollywood stars…because they are not going with their style..That is what i want to explain for long long time but i guess everyone just rigid about their own view.
I am not talking about corrupted people or their sons/daughters wedding money with corruption. i also never support you get marry with illegal money.
But yes if a government officer also plan from the beginning of his/her life for a better marriage function for their children they can also do that.
well if anyone wants to get marry with their own money, they also doing that now adays…
recently girls also don’t want to get marry before 27/28 because they also want to marry with their money…:)
so scenario is not like before where government officer didn’t plan for their future life. Now Bangladeshi people are more organised and they live very standard life so that they can live and die maintaining a better life and every facility they can use in their life.
And if you are talking about poor people of Bangladesh, Then I can focus two things….city people are working so hard to earn their money…but whenever i go to village i notice that village peoples are very lazy. if you give them money they also didn’t use it in a proper way…
So First we should invest our brain for training village people so that they stop being lazy. Because Almighty also tell us not to give money to those people who doesn’t want to work by themself….
anyways, be happy Keep Smile…and one thing for sure save money from your job/work and everyday you can donate people. You needn’t to wait for twenty five years for donating people. You can start donating people from when you born…
And Oviously Middle class family can’t donate for poor people because they hardly manage money for their household purposes,medicines, transport cost and their children’s life….
If A family can produce better human being in his/her own family then its also investment for nation.
We also first have to stop migration of genious people from Bangladesh….because if those people can also forget about earning money in dollars then I think our country can be more benefitted…
So if you are talking about wedding parties money many think comes with that….If we support living abroad for better living why can’t we support better wedding ceremonies….Again point should be noted…IF I HAVE THE ENOUGH MONEY TO SPEND FOR SOCIETY AND ALSO SPEND FOR MY OWN FAMILY…..ALSO NOTED I M NOT TALKING ABOUT CRIMINALS….There’s many people in Bangladesh those who have running successful business and successful service in our country…I am talking about those people…:)
Thanks…..have a nice day…..take care…bye bye…:)
wishes,
samiha esha
March 8th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Thanks Tanvir for your suggestion that the change needs to come from the affluent. Thanx Fariha for understanding my article where I am trying to promote a modest wedding celebration to those who are willing to be ABOVE ORDINARY.
I think Quixote and KJ have also brought in their support for only the necessary spending at the weddings and to avoid the overboard show off kind.
Udita, your point on govt. officers being able to afford a decent wedding for their daughters is one of the points I wanted to make through my article which hardly got noticed. Also the comparisons, we cannot think individualistically here. Just because Samiha doesn’t compare doesn’t mean anyone in Dhaka doesn’t. Moreover such competitiveness is hardly in the open. It is mostly inside people, which they refuse to bring out unless they are the winners of the competition.
Samiha, glad to see at least one good thought coming out of you-that we should save money from our other day to day spending such as eating out with friends. I don’t want to present a counter argument on your accusation of the villagers of Bangladesh to be LAZY, as that will drift us from the topic of discussion. But YOU ARE ALSO MISTAKING THERE.
Lastly lets hope as Sharmin apa said that some of the readers of my article can become the “above ordinary†in today’s materialistic society of Dhaka.
March 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Bangladesh is a developing country. But development doesn’t necessarily mean showing off our wealth and our fashion sense. I think It’s completely unecessary to spend this much amount at our weddings. Every girl wants d dream wedding, but to get it you spend so much fortune which is not even yours, your parents’ money. That is just ridiculous. I know parents are here to provide for you; but what were they doing all these years sending you to school, University and meeting every other demand we have. This goes for both the boy and the girl. As you said Nazia it has become a trend to show off who spends more and to keep up with the Indian shows and their fashion. There is so much going on around us in our own country. Try helping some of these people. I heard about this wedding where the guests were asked to donate to a charity instead of bringing gifts. And this has definitely inspired me. I mean we don’t even have to do that much. I mean every wedding presents isn’t a nice or necessary thing, most of the time we just give it away or trough it out. Why not just ask people to donate that money for a good cause. If we are so developed and by that we mean we are rich I’m sure we don’t need these extra gifts or the money.
Yes there are people who have the money. They can afford these kinds of lavish arrangements. Go ahead spend your money because you have it. But tell me something how in a ‘3rd world country’ as the world see us and as the number one corrupted country of the world (correct me if I am wrong) can have sooo many rich people. Explain to me how these people become rich and the rest of the country are poor. I’m not pointing finger at anyone, have your big, lavish wedding, have as many programs you want, buy as many jewelry and sari’s you want but also think about your surrounding once in awhile. Cause rich can’t become richer unless some one is made poor; Laws of nature.
As someone else mentioned they are from big family, so am I. Weddings and birthdays are a huge deal in our family. But not every member of my family is extraordinarily rich. We celebrate every occasion, it can be a birthday, wedding anniversary anything. But for us its not about giving the gifts, its about being together, being there for each other, the blessings, the sharing of the important moment of our lives. We can do it without all the gifts. That doesn’t mean we don’t have the money or we are cheap. It’s about the love we share not the money we share. I’m just saying, to have fun and share the moment and joy of our life we don’t always need the extravagant spending.
We r remembered for our achievements not our clothes and jewelry unless u r Imelda Marcos
March 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Nazia wrote (comment #15):
Here I would like to mention the example one of my Adhunika group members gave earlier about a couple who asked their wedding guests to make donations to Cancer Hospital in Dhaka instead of bringing gifts for the couple.
here is the link of the news which was published recently in DS. We are certain there are numerous examples where couples and families are setting a positive trend like them if we are privileged:).
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/01/15/d70115062397.htm
March 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
its great..congrats to the couple…But As Rezwan Sharif and Rupsha Iqbal example showing here…i want say this article not written for encouraging guest’s gift money donation
its about wasting of money for wedding ceremonies…:) See they invite lots of guest on their wedding so that they can contribute those money for cancer hospital…if you won’t invite people how they can contribute for cancer charity…If you don’t throw party for your wedding ceremony and treats them on the eve of your wedding then how can they participate….hehe..:)
anyways Nice example given by adhunika Admin..congrats…:)
One Last Point I forget to answer…Wedding is not only about one night function…Its the Beginning of a new ever ending life till you die…:)
And Note here, Am not talking about those people who has divorce in their wedding …:) Am talking about successful marriage and successful couple..:)
And I don’t mind My father spend money for my marriage because His dream is that…I can’t break his dream…..:)
Surely Same Way, I also take the all responsibility of my parents so that they will always smile their life together with me…:) So how can we think such mean about parents…:) I really don’t understand…:)
If I will do work…I will be doing for my family…for their better future…:)
I guess it would be nice…if Adhunika Bloggers can show example of their own wedding where they didn’t buy jwellary or invite their relatives…they donate for poor people of Bangladesh…:)
So we should stay with the topic Nazia wrote…:)
take care..and happy blogging
Oh! another thing I want to mention here…If your other relative can’t effort money for their sons/ daughter wedding why don’t you donate money for them…
As I mention before, my family is too big…so when any girl or boy get marry everyone contribute to the wedding so that they can also enjoy a grand function….So if family is united, then everyone will be happy with their wedding function…:)
So we should first go for Join family…then I guess all problem will be solve…:)
I don’t like to share fake views that I can’t implement in my own life…whatever i m saying here as debate I experienced with all this…So…I don’t mind if you guys take me wrong…But I know The people who respond in this article also have/had grand wedding parties…none donate their wedding shopping money for poor…because its totally impossible….
In our 50/60 years life…Can’t we throw one big grand party…And specially when it is wedding where newly married couple start with so many new hopes…
Wedding parties never come more than once in people’s life…So people should dream about grand wedding…they should do job or do future plans so that they can have grand wedding parties…and it will be plus point if parents also dream with them….:)
Because no other function is similar or even can be similar with wedding…its always special…always great…and always very memorable one that gives oxygen rest of the life..:)
And Yep…Despite of corrupted people Other Bangladeshi people earning quite fantastic…:)
Think about Grameen Employees, Think About Blink, UNDP, UNICEF, CHEVRON, BAT, SEDF, AKTEL, CITYCELL, NSU, EWU, IUB, BUET, IBA, ADCOM, UNILEVER etc etc etc…thousads of peoples now earning so nice that they made a better future for themself…SO I guess we should speak such about them How they can be rich…they working hard…so they are rich now…:)
Every Person should be happy with their own status….its not nice talking about rich people are all corrupted in Bangladesh….and its also not nice to think that Poor of Bangladesh dying because of donation…
They Also living their dailyhood with their own way of living…and they are happy with it…:)
have nice days….and don’t get mad with me with my comments….I want to clear myself with all of you…why you guys take wedding party as donation place…there can be many other celebration why only wedding ???
okaay take care…If anyone can give me real example i will be very happy….anyways take care….Bye…:)
March 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Dristipath Virgina Donate $10000 to VoboDoho people…and Bangladeshi people arrange that money for donating those people of Jessore…so…We the new generation know how to donate for our nation and how to help them…and we also know how to enjoy our wedding functions in our family…:)
March 9th, 2007 at 2:09 am
Samiha,
Again I must say u r completely failing to understand the argument of the article, & accusing others of it. Every one is on the topic while u r only repeating urself. The Admin’s example is the alternatives I asked people to mention in my article. Also please read my article again which begins with the mention of family weddings where everyone participates. I don’t know why even after so many comments of mine u keep saying the article is against celebrating weddings with your family & friends!!! IT IS NOT. I asked for alternatives for the money spent behind jewelries and other extravagance which can be limited, yet the wedding can still be fun and festive. Be clear that I am asking for opinions, not accusing anyone or any practice anyone has. I suggest u read carefully before you start repeating urself again.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:54 am
Samiha
“We the new generation know how to donate for our nation and how to help them…and we also know how to enjoy our wedding functions in our family”
That’s a very strong statement,because I represent that generation and I would say we are learning, we are examing , we are going through trial and error period right now. We have to learn and understand this much better and higher before saying this so bluntly. I respect and admire for the effort of “Dristipath Virgina Donate $10000 to VoboDoho people” but we have long way to go. Don’t forget the population of the country is 150 million unofficially could be more.We could always do more and shoot for more.
Regarding,we all know how to enjoy our wedding functions, yes we also need to keep our self in reality to modesty.In my belief I don’t agree on show off or extra expenditure on weddings just to have a big wedding.But who is stopping you? nobody.
What make me sad, when I see for few thousands taka our brothers in Bangladesh are burning their wives alive or throwing acid on their face if they are failed to bring the dowry back from their poor father and mother and family, where the family doesn’t have enough to eat,but they still try to manage or come up with the money by any means. How can by looking at that I can spend laks in any marriage?
Advice to you, I wish you all the best and lively and big wedding for you and any one in your family but do onething, atleast get two poor girls married at the same time and please bear their marriage expenses. I will salute you for ever.
Now, if you come back haunting me to practice that first,than if you ever hear about my ——-
you will see atleast few more marriage of my poors sister will take place in the same place.
Sorry if I have hurt your honest feelings, I don’t intend too and would not either.
Thanks
Kawser Jamal
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
March 9th, 2007 at 5:13 am
thanks for your wishes Mr. Kawser Jamal….In my family every year at least three/ four far relatives get married those who are not much capable of managing money for their son/daughter’s marriage…and I m really greatful to almighty HE Bless my family to contribute our earning for their marriages every year…:)
Thanks Nazia, Thanks to all of you
wishes,
Samiha Esha.
http://www.samiha-esha.com
March 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
i was just reading this old post on adhunika, and it kind of relates to our discussion here.
http://adhunika.org/blog/2006/08/28/arranged-marriage-a-tradition-or-gambling/
how much of a girl’s choice in the matter of marriage or even the wedding celebration is her own? and exactly how much of it is social pressure?
since we are seeking alternatives, may be we should turn the tide towards something more constructive instead of trying to hammer on the same arguments for the misguided?
can we ask ourselves how much this society of ours which is slowly inclining towards and more cosmopolitan way of life (like the ones depicted in our hindi serials), whilst at the same time trying to cling on to traditional values of family.
it is true that the hindi serials or rather the obsession with them is affecting us. it’s affecting our society, our values and our culture.
we watch the tulsi bhabis get decked up in their expensive chiffon saris and work in the kitchens, cooking for like fifty people with just one helping hand. we watch them give up careers and sing praises of arranged marriage. then we watch them change into even more expensive saris and dance and party every night.
wanting that life is nothing unusual. as i went through all the comments, i realized what we’re doing here is trying to adopt the chiffon saris, the 10-15 pre, post and during wedding festivities and the glamour of that lifestyle. dancing to hindi songs, wearing your sari anchals draped to the front a-la-gujju style, having mehendis and sangeets, these are not the characteristics of just one family. and of course we see nothing wrong with them because watching all that around us all the time has naturalized this kind of lifestyle for us.
before we make this quantum jump to spending patterns, why not analyse the reasons that propel it? are these overly-exepended wedding celebrations our culture? what is changing it?
ofcourse it would be too easy to blame it all on hindi serials. but i strongly that the problem here much bigger than wanting grander and grander wedding celebrations. i don’t think its merely about outdoing your neighbour or your cousin. i think it’s about aspiration. i thinks about aspiring to have a certain kind of love we are fast becoming conditioned to?
March 10th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Assalamu alaikum,
Dear Nazia, first of all allow me to congratulate you on bringing up such an important issue that plagues Bangladeshi society now. I also appreciate the views presented by the people in what has now turned into a forum. Although I intended to express my views earlier refuting points made by different individuals, this seems impossible now. So please understand that I don’t mean to engage in a battle of words with anyone as I sincerely can not recall who said what.
Just to explain where my thoughts are coming from, I would like to state a few lines about myself. I am 25, from a middle/upper middle class family. It has been my privilege to study in some of the best educational institutions of the country, which by the way were THE MOST expensive. This was a privilege and my family had to work hard for it, take some wise decisions early in their life- one of them, I would say was holding a joint wedding reception back in 1973. My parents were married earlier in June 1971- love marriage in the time of WAR! Being traditionalists my mother had a proper ‘gaye holud’…although less than 20 people attended. Even fewer people attended the wedding ceremony, and menu was “Bhater Jauâ€. My mother speaks of day with mixed emotions, sometimes with extreme joy and sometimes with sorrow. I think no reception was hosted in 1972 because of the adverse situation prevailing in the country and also the economic foresight of my family. My mother was given a SINGLE set of gold ornaments, shared by the two families. But the reception was grand. It was held in Ladies Club, which was pretty posh in those days. And frankly I have no clue how many people attended but it was obviously nearing thousand, because we do have a large family.
The point I am trying to make is- my mother had her Gaye Holud back in 1971, so the tradition was not repeated. Rather than giving two ornament sets, only one was given so that she looked gorgeous without having to spend a fortune. There was no “Biye†and “Bou Bhat†because it is a complete waste to feed the same 1000 people, the same boring menu twice. The two families made a good compromise I think on where to spend the money. I would stress the wisdom of my family that my mother was given a ‘den mohor’ of 25,000 takas. This particular point of ‘den mohor’ may seem extravagant to some of you but not to me because of religious reasons. If anyone wants a further clarification on this please contact me, I don’t want to get the topic distracted. But Nazia, you should have added it in your article. This is a major topic in muslim weddings and particularly, Bangladeshi weddings.
Please do not think that I am emphasizing on MY FAMILY. It is just an example of something I know in great detail. I shall state another example. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman declared that given the adverse situation of the country all weddings should be held with “beli phul’ not gold. Actor Humayun Faridi was the first person to have such a wedding. Girls are suckers for romance; we act otherwise, but we too have our notion of romance.
I personally think this wedding ceremony was far more ROMANTIC than my parent’s.
I would like to agree with the girl who said that some families even have 11 ceremonies in a single wedding. It is true. The people of old Dhaka do have such traditions; other communities or those who have a root in old Dhaka still may practice the tradition. No harm. Say “Meye Dekha†one last time, which is just a formality. And we are all aware of the grandiosity of things Old Dhakaites do. If you want to hold fast to this long tradition, be my guest, but cut down the guest list. The girl can have a “Gaye Holud†with HER friends and FAMILY only. They can select wedding songs and have a ball singing them. Or why not ask a songster friend to give a performance. The groom can similarly have his “Gaye Holud†with his friends. The point I am trying to make is where there is a possibility of entertaining the same guests twice, why not hold the ceremonies isolated. It will reasonably cut down costs. As for the one who had fun dancing in her “Gaye Holud†with her hubby to be. That was never our tradition nor does it help cut down cost. Most of our nanis, dadis, and khalas will find it vulgar. Come on you have your whole life ahead of you to dance with your hubby. Why irritate the traditional mentalities of our elders? After all no one here disagrees that wedding ceremonies are basically a social occasion to seek blessing.
Nazia, your article addresses the practice of the middle and upper class only. Recently, one of our house help got married. Her family spent 50,000 on food alone at the wedding ceremony. Amongst the unfortunate low income group, the tradition of “Bou bhat†is almost non-existent. So you can imagine how the girl’s family gets bashafied. Btw, as far as I can remember the groom asked for a colour television, some handsome figure of money and last but not the least, the thing that every wedding seems to be incomplete without, the all so precious, the most useful and ‘cool’- BICYCLE!
We decided to contribute on the television with a 17 inch colour, which later had to be upgraded to 21 inch because the difference of 4 inches INSULTED the groom’s side.
You have already mentioned what we “ELITES†do in the name of gifts, which is basically uncouth, unjust and punishable act of asking and giving dowry. So, I won’t repeat. This is done in the name of ‘helping the new couple starts their new lives’. How about giving them cash? And let them decide what they want to do with it. If I can convince my wife, I will certainly open a bank account for the future. Being medical student, I know it will be almost a decade from now till I can earn a respectable salary (unless I become a butcher, which neither I nor anyone in this forum would want I think). I mean it was okay that I lived on my father/mother’s legacy. But I sincerely don’t want my mother to pay near about 1 lakh or more which will be required to get my child admitted in Play Group. I heard my Play Group tuition was 200 takas and I clearly remember paying 5000 takas for my last month as a high school! So Allah knows how much I will have to pay for my child’s last month at school.
Ok coming to the issue of serving society. Here I am selfish. I shall have the grandest wedding at the least possible cost. I do not buy that grandeur IS equivalent of cost. I can hire the most renowned photographer for capturing the moments of a new beginning; or I can look for a talented photographer who is desperately trying to make a break and work almost as good as THE PRO but at a fraction of a price. I can hire Maheen Khan to prepare a customized wedding dress for the bride and groom; or I can hire a friend of a friend of a friend to do the same. Maybe it won’t be “Mayasirâ€. But if its “Mayasir†you seek, then why keep on blabbering about ‘blessings’. The more effort you give, the less will be the cost. And someone also mentioned involving the whole cousins and friends lot. Why not assign them with selective duties like- alpona, stage design, wedding dress design. As the one who is getting married, you can also politely ask them that I need no gifts but make an effort to do the best within your budget. If they are true friends, I am sure they will give their heart at doing the best. And does it really matter if it’s not the best, I want everyone to have fun at my wedding. And everyone to be a part of it. If my “Gaye Holud†stage is second grade despite the sincerest effort of my friends- I should be happy for the effort, not the result. And if they are not sincere then I guess its best not to have such GROUP of friends of cousins and sincerely not worry about what they think about my wedding. Because I don’t know but Allah sure does, whether they are blessing or criticizing.
So what do I do with the money I have saved from my- ‘grand’ to me but ‘cheap’ to others. I save it for our future. Allah forbid if a time comes when we fall into an unanticipated hardship? A senior friend of mine died in a road accident last year, on my birth day. He was 32. As far as I knew him, he was always adventurous. Always expanding his business, never caring for savings. He earned a lot from the business. Now it’s up to his old father to look after his business. How long will he live? Who will take care of his widowed wife, hardy 28-29 and son who probably even doesn’t know that death means his father will never return to hug him or kiss him?
I don’t know about you people, but my forefathers were probably low caste hindus, converted into muslims and then made a fusion of hindu-muslim rituals into social occasions. As time progressed our families became affluent but the deep rooted sentiment “what mohajon did, I shall try to follow if not over come†continued. The root of all these wedding rituals are deeply rooted in thousand years of injustice, which we now so keenly try to deny. Tracing back my family history, I have found that my forefathers were farmers. As I put it…gorur lenja dhoira khet khamar korto. Then came jute and money along with it. With money came the realization of importance of education. We understand the importance of education but not its true essence. Knowledge is for emancipation of what is WRONG. There was a time when hindu women were burnt along with their dead husbands. Muslim women were (still are btw) made to wear white sarees when their husbands died. Reformers like Bidda Shagor stopped ‘shoti daho’. Nazia, please note he was not affluent. He was middle class. But when his views made sense and seemed ‘favourable’ to the elite they followed. The elite wants to be elite by surpassing the middle class. The middle class, despite being the majority WANTS to be an elite. If the middle class starts a trend, the ‘enlightened elite’ will follow and then the ‘new money’ elites will follow, then the prejudiced middle class will follow.
I would like to end by saying that tradition is ever changing. Birthdays were NEVER our tradition; yet as one person mentioned people are celebrating birthdays at Shonargaon these days. Leave the tradition that is bad for us and accept and hold fast to what is valuable to us. We have all stressed here that wedding ceremonies are important for blessings of ‘family’. Yet our society is now promoting concepts of nuclear family. Stupidities like Valentines Day and oh yea, pre-marital sex is ‘cool’.
We should spend wisely in our everyday life. True having friend chicken costs a lot. But how many thousand fried chickens will it take to equate for the useless, easily avoidable and completely unnecessary spending of a LAVISH wedding? One should fix their priorities.
Enough said. Please pray for me so that I can practice what I have written, otherwise it will just be an utter joke and hierocracy. Thank you for reading my EXTREMELY LONG piece with patience.
JazakAllah
Bhabuk
March 10th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
I understand the spirit of the original article. Yes, it is important in a nation where most of its inhabitants are ultra-poor that we should show less materialistic tendencies. However, the reason why there is no good distribution of wealth is because there is no system of law. The problem is NOT the lavish weddings. Actually, when someone throws a lavish wedding, wealth trickles down: A jeweler makes money, a hotel and its employers make money, etc. That is, in an economy where there are no taxes, no welfare system, nobody really looking out for the orphans, etc., SPENDING on material goods can help others because it allows others to have a business. My worry is that I see a lot of weddings now where the sarees come from India, the jewelry from Dubai, etc., and THAT makes me sad because we should be buying from BANGLADESHI vendors, so our money goes back into the economy. If the original bloggers’ intention is to create a humanitarian society, picking on something like the lavishness of a wedding is hardly the way to go, in my opinion.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Hi, thank you for the article. I’m doing this thing called the freshman project and it really helped me with my essay. Do you by any chance know any birth and death traditions in Bangladesh, as well as leave taking and gift giving? I’m stuck on those pieces of info and I can’t seem to find them anywhere. I’d really appreciate it if you could offer me any info that you may know. Thank you.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 am
I’m not sure what exacctly you are looking for regarding birth, death , leave taking and gift giving in Bangladesh. Look on the net, which you probably have already & ask the older generation about the traditions, they always have lots to tell
May 26th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Hey guys…I am commenting considering all these commments as a discussiion..no debate..
It is very natural for a girl to expect the most extravagant colours of their life in a wedding..beacuse thats what all girls wait for in bangladesh…they are born with that trend among friends and family and thats how it is supposed to be…
yeah it would be great if the concern about supporting the expenses of the wedding could be considered by the bride and groom as well instead of depending on the family wholly…apart from that, wedding ceremony of bangladesh is one of the most colourfull and eventfull wedding amony the many other wedding ceremonies in defferent religion and country…
It is actually easy to debate about any topic nowadays but it is better not to try to debate or try to bring a change in traditional customs and beliefs…lets USA be USA and Bangladesh be how it is…i mean considering weddings…thats how we remain unique and authentic…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Never was it a tradition in Bangladesh to spend beyond necessity at weddings to impress people. In fact weddings at USA are way more extravagant & lavish, & that is not what my article suggests to follow at all.
Spending too much may make one’s wedding unique from others, only when you are at a competetion! But I completely disagree that this is the tradition. This is a very new trend & has more to do wide Indian culture than our own.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Its understandable for us girls to have a grand, fun,hip impress the guests wedding. Its a guilty pleasure, and all you girls know it. Nevertheless, in the Bangladesh context its not right. If we were citizens in the top five economies in the world, yes, then the 11 stage wedding extravaganza is proportional. Its hurtful to see that the new generation in Dhaka is so blind to the plight of this country. If Esha you are true when you say people in your family and you personally contribute to charitable causes then I would encourage you to give us some of your time, 4 hrs a week, and work on a bite size project making a concrete difference to the “lazy village” people. Hope you take up this challenge and email me at naima@changebangladesh.com